Choose Love Over Fear to Guide Learning with Tommy Kilpatrick

What if the key to tomorrow’s lesson lives in what lit you up at age seven? We bring back Tommy Kilpatrick to turn that early spark into practical, compassionate teaching—linking identity, choice, and classroom design. Together, we unpack a simple ten-minute exercise to replay your earliest memories and name the gift you were eager to share. That clarity becomes a compass for lesson tweaks you can implement this month, aligning activities with purpose and giving students a language for who they are becoming.

We also explore a set of powerful “forks” that shape behavior: whether you see yourself as a spirit having a human experience, a human seeking herd safety, or a human reaching for spiritual connection. Each choice expands or contracts your field of courage. Tommy demonstrates how educators can coach struggling learners by broadening their perspective, guiding them to choose love over fear, and teaching them to reassess when a path closes. The conversation stays grounded with three concrete practices: a personal habit of gratitude and giving, a classroom move that defuses conflict by affirming and then guiding, and a team ritual that pairs courage with compassion to define maturity.

Throughout, we return to a working definition of love—“I give”—and mercy as extreme kindness, turning classroom management into human development. We close by inviting you to sketch your own owner’s manual: a living set of axioms, forks, and practices that keep your teaching aligned with your deepest values.

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Welcome & Today’s Plan

Jackie Pelegrin 0:00

Hello, and welcome to the Designing with Love Podcast. I am your host, Jackie Pelegrin, where my goal is to bring you information, tips, and tricks as an instructional designer. Hello, instructional designers and educators. Welcome to episode 98 of the Designing with Love Podcast. This is part three of the series with returning guest Tommy Kilpatrick on his book, Human Occidental Owner's Manual. In part two, we map the four eternal human questions and introduce the first four. Today we'll put it into work. We'll have some quick exercises, classroom moves, love and mercy in action, and how to help students re-enter the growth spiral after setbacks. Tommy, it's great to have you back on the show.

Tommy Kilpatrick 0:45

Oh, thanks for having me back. It's great.

The Age Seven Spark Exercise

Jackie Pelegrin 0:48

Yes. We've had a chance to really get to know each other offline and so it's great. And we're we're thinking of future episodes. So for my listeners, you know, we're we've got plans. You know, that's the great thing about podcasting, is you never know what direction you're going to go. But when you start planning it out, you're, you know, the ideas start flowing. So it's really great. Um so we talked a little bit in the you you kind of touched on this in the last episode um in part two, um, how you invite us to revisit what lit us up at ages five to seven, which I love that concept uh because it ties into creativity and and what really interests us. So what's a 10-minute exercise to help us surface that early spark and turn it into one concrete change in a lesson this month for those that are teachers and want to help their students?

Tommy Kilpatrick 1:34

Oh, yes, this is something really simple to do. It's just a movie. We're all used to a movie. So go back in your life and run the movie from the beginning. Start with your earliest memory. It might be made up, it doesn't matter. Just start with something and then run the memory through and take you up to about, I don't know, first grade, second grade, somewhere in that range. Because the Catholics see uh age of reason at age seven. So before that, children really don't have the idea of consciousness in a sense, they're not aware of themselves. And so some develop earlier, some develop later, but right around the age of seven is when you're expected to know the difference of right and wrong. So now you're expected to uh behave in a certain way and kind of let you go when you're doing that younger thing. So things think back when you were free, you didn't have responsibilities, it was just fun, and you were a person that had a gift. And so I'm trying to find out what that gift was that was given to you by God. So you're supposed to share that with us. Uh one thing I think is we don't owe you anything, you owe us everything. So from that point of view, you're here on this planet for a reason and a purpose. And what is that purpose? I don't know. Well, you don't know who you are, but if you have those names for your uh body name and a name for your mind and a name for your spirit, that's a big step forward. So how do you do that? Again, just quietness and thinking it through. And what am I? And then figure out what it is. It could be an animal. The the way the native Indians, uh the Aborigines, they always have a name of describes them. And sometimes the father looks out from the TV and sees a running bull, and that's your name. But the Aborigines actually develop their name and they change the name over the years. As they change, they change their name. And that's again, you can do the same thing too, change your name. You can call yourself anything. So in that exercise, go back and run the movie through, run the movie through, and at some point you're gonna go, Oh, some brick wall hit me. What's going on? Someone said something to you, and they and you listen to them. So that's another word for obey. Look it up. Latin word for listen means to obey. So you obeyed them. No, that's not a good idea. Now what are you doing? You're trying to get a job, you're gonna go get an education to get a job. Job today, uh, they're not happening. It's a 1750 thinking of the industrial revolution. We've had many revolutions since then, and it's not the way. I just saw an ad that says if you're not involved in AI, you're not involved in anything. You've got to be involved with AI. And again, they're trying to sell you something, but they're saying more billionaires can be made in AI than before, and that's absolutely true. I'm not trying to say that you're being a millionaire, but biblically, we're supposed to be wealthy, and haw why the reason why we're wealthy is we're helping other people. So you're not focused on the money. The love of money is the root of all evil, not the money. The money is a currency, it's what we put in banks. We hold the currency back with banks. We're supposed to direct this flow of energy to the projects that we're here for. So you're here for a purpose, you're here for a reason. So think back. There was something you were excited about, but now you get to do it because now I think we are in a free revolution. Everyone's everything for free. Free Wi-Fi, you know, free uh free shipping, right? Uh see cholesterol-free, sugar-free. Everything is free. So there's a way that you can profit and you can be a millionaire, and you can help millions and millions of people, helping their lives be better and to be compensated and live a very good life. So you can direct that flow of energy to other projects. So it is possible. So that's what I'd suggest to you is take those minutes and think back and run that movie through. Run that movie through your life. Sorry about that.

Jackie Pelegrin 5:30

That's okay. Yeah, I love that because then then you're like you we talked about a little bit in the previous episode, you're able to go back to that foundation, right? And see where that creativity lies and how you can how you can ultimately take what the God-given gifts are that God has given each of us and utilize those uh to help others. So I love that. Uh that's that's great. Um, so the first four that you that is in your book, it um gives you three choices that you uh can take and go down three different paths. How can that change tomorrow's lesson or how do we respond when a learner struggles?

Purpose, Wealth, & Service

Tommy Kilpatrick 6:07

Yes. Uh in my book, it's an analogy to a computer. And so your computer has rules, and that's my axioms, things you don't have to prove that they're correct. Like the first axiom is you're born naked. Well, that's kind of obvious, but also you're kind of born innocent, too. It's in that along that lines. And then uh axiom number 13 is power and control. It's always about power and control. Then you have choices in your life. If you take this path here and that path here, and I call it a fork, and in a computer uh analogy, it's gonna be an if for then. If you do this, then the computer's gonna do that. So when you have your first primary, your um your most important question you have in your life is basically where are you starting from? And so if you start from an idea that you are a uh a spirit having a human experience, that's one path. The opposite would be a human having a human experience, and something in the middle is a human having a religious or spiritual experience. Let me just act this up again, we'll slow it down. Uh if you see yourself as a spirit, something from God, God's part of you, you're part of God, and you're just happening to have a human experience, then you take that one path, and what that's gonna lead you to is really a much bigger project, a much bigger uh viewpoint. If you see yourself only as a human, having a human experience, then your herd is very small. And so when you're inside the herd, you feel love. When you're outside the herd, you feel fear. So that's when people laugh at you and ridicule you. They don't see you as part of their herd. And so that's in our brain. It's the first part of the brain arrows, is the reptilian, that's our herding instinct. So they want you to not be out in the field, come back in with the cows, come closer to us, and we'll be all protected by cows. Then you have the middle ground where you are a human having a religious or spiritual, so your herd is a little bit larger because you have your religion, and there's nothing wrong with religion, just look at the word re means again, blick means to bind. So if you've lost touch with God, then become religious and you rebond yourself with God. If you haven't lost that bond with God, then you may not need religion, you might need a social thing, that's fine too. And so that's one viewpoint, and your largest herd is gonna be a spirit having a human experience because you're already being with God. The most greatest possible herds is is the universe, even beyond that. So it's a different way of points of view. So when you take one path, it leads you into other paths, and you may not like the conclusion, but then you can back it up and go, Well, what if I take that path? And I have about ten different forks in the road, and you can choose to be optimistic or pessimistic, and there's many different choices you can make along the way. Do you want to live in fear or do you want to live in love? And so these forks go right along the way, and you can back it all the way up and choose a different path. Try this, see how it is if you're religious, see where that's gonna lead you, and then back it up, try the other one. So it's a it's a mental exercise, but it's also a practical exer exercise too, you can do in your life.

First Forks: Spirit, Human, Religion

Jackie Pelegrin 9:25

Wow, that's great. And it can help uh students as well. Uh, for you know, uh if a student is struggling with an area, take them to those first forks and help them make those choices, right? And so they can see where where that may lead for them. And uh and it can help them uh not just in their maybe in their academics, but in life as well, right? Uh because many times that those all relate to each other. Uh how a student is doing academically, you can kind of tie it back to their personal life or their home life or their social life, right? So being able to relate those all together really helps with that and helping them with that first work. Yeah.

Tommy Kilpatrick 10:04

Absolutely. So what you're seeing is that the student is struggling, and that's where they're where are they coming from and their life and their their particular position and what they see. And that you can help direct them to wait a second, here's another possibility. Oh, I never thought of that. You are the teacher, you're the educator, you're the parent, you have the bigger picture. They don't. So back them up, give them a little more of a wide angle viewpoint of the world, and then go, oh, I'm interested in that direction. Well, let me help you direct you for what you're supposed to be doing. So again, the educator can put the information in your head in a sense, I'll teach you what I think you should know. And the other one is be a teacher of what do they want to learn. What a concept.

Jackie Pelegrin 10:50

Right.

Tommy Kilpatrick 10:51

Oh, okay. What are you interested in? Where are you taking this path? And let me help you. I know the resources that are out there to guide you to your success. So I see it that way too.

Jackie Pelegrin 11:01

Right. And it gives the the learners and the students a sense of autonomy and it gives them that self-directedness and they get to take ownership of it. Because even at a young age, I hear a lot of my students who are educators uh that talk about that, that how important it is to give them that early on in life. So that way when they do get older and they go into high school and college, and then, like we talked about the workforce, they're not so dependent upon, oh, I don't know what to do, I don't know where to go. And uh they they uh it seems to me like if we ground them early in life with these types of principles, I think, and exercises, then I think it really helps them later on in life. Uh you set a good foundation for them. Yeah.

Tommy Kilpatrick 11:44

Because axiom number 13 should be number one is power and control. It's always about power and control whenever you're dealing with anybody. And that's where Mary Kay Cosmetics said that every person walks around a sign on them, says make me feel important. And that's all we want to do. Just leave us alone, but make us feel important. So that's where we can see that in their sign, they're saying, and that's where we want to engage in people, that conversation, that communication with family.

Jackie Pelegrin 12:13

Wow, that's great, Tommy. I love that. I think my my listeners uh that are educators will be able to practice that with their students, and I think that'll be important. I love that. So in your book, you emphasize a quiet example, which is love, I give, and mercy, extreme kindness. Can you share three everyday practices, uh, one personal habit, one classroom move, and one team ritual that helps students feel love and mercy?

Coaching Struggling Learners

Tommy Kilpatrick 12:40

Oh, sure. That's just what I have started digging in. I like the origin of words and words uh meaning. So when I looked up the word love in the language of Hebrew, which I think is actually the first language of uh our whole society of historical things. And um uh it says love is I give. And so if you think about it, God is love. We all say from a Christian point of view, God's love. God loves us, we love God. Well, that means gave. What did God give us? Gave us life every day, every prayer before the meal. It's always an attitude of gratitude. Thank you for being alive and my health. What if you don't have your health, what do you got? So I'm alive, first of all, and very thankful and very thankful to be healthy. So those two things are always there attitude of gratitude. So when I say that, is I give, and that's my whole purpose in life is to love, is to give. If you're not loving, you're not giving. You can call it anything else you want, but if you are growing food, if you're raising animals, if you're something productive, you're building houses, you're doing something productive for other people, then you are showing love. Love is I give, give it freely. And then this is uh what uh G uh Rabbi Jesus of Nazareth spoke on the mount. He said there's two new commandments, because if the Messiah came, look up the definition of Messiah, it says that it's the uh promised and expected deliverer of the Jews, and what that means, deliver, means to set free. So what did God make this deal with the Jews and then all of a sudden said there's no deal? Right, because if you don't expand and share this God with everybody, I'm gonna next, you're fired. So he fired the Jews and then brought Jesus here, and then people love a connection, which they didn't do with the Jews. So the Jews are no longer the promised people, they claim they are, but they're not, because anybody and everybody can worship this God, and that's the whole point of God, want to be worshiped by everybody. So that was the promise and expected deliverer to be free of the Ten Commandments. So God has removed the Ten Commandments from you. I know they're pretty good, but he gave it the new one, is what Rabbi Jesus of Nazareth said on the mount, there's two new commandments. One is love and mercy, and mercy is defined as extreme kindness. So, what do I do every day? And what I try to do is what I do is I think about what I'm here to do. I'm here to give. So I'm here in the Philippines. I give the idea of building houses with bamboo, and then uh having vertical gardening, which I'm working on very so many hours every day. I'm working on this whole project to show how you can build a huge amount of food in just a very small footprint, and then with a medical clinic. So that's what I'm here to give. And so that's what I do every day in my life. So, what can I do? And then when I meet up with somebody and I have to show extreme kindness, I just say, You're right.

Jackie Pelegrin 15:42

So I love that.

Tommy Kilpatrick 15:44

Uh yeah. It's what I say to them, even their own language, you are right. Goose to coat. Goose to coat means you're right. Let them be right. What's the problem? You there's no conflict if you say that they're right and then move on. So your next question is what can you do to teach this to people? Is uh have the educators talk about maturity. Maturity is a balance between courage and compassion. So if you can show compassion, there's your love and mercy. And then you've also to show the courage so that you can explain, just say what it is. It's just really easy. Speak reality. This is what I see, and just speak it out loud. And people are going, just talking about the elephant in the room. Yes, there's a big elephant in the room. The emperor has no clothes. So just speak the truth and not cruelly. You know, that's back to your compassion, but be strong enough. So you are to be the one between the strongest of the strong and the weakest of the weakest. So that's why he's taught my children is you, your job in life is to stand between that bully and the one being bullied, the one who's the strongest of the strong and the weakest of the weakest. And then what you do for your team is to show by example. Show by example, show your love and show your mercy, and explain it to them and say, you know what? You're right. You do have a legitimate complaint, whatever it is, and speak it out. And that's all they want is confirmation. They're angry. They can't think, so let them be angry. You get angrier, see, anger destroys your liver. It's a chemical that sets it up. So when people tell me they have liver cancer, anger violence they've had in their life. So you don't want that in your life. So you're an actor. So act like you were angry as they are, take it up a level above their anger, and then bring it down. And if they follow you, you got them synchronized, and now you've got to make them laugh at you because it's ridiculous. So be that one outside their hurt, and then after you get them to laugh, laughter is the opposite emotion of anger. And now they're laughing, best buddies, and then you change the subject. Do you think it's gonna rain today? It's a very good way of diverting things. So when you're in that community, that teamwork, and you've got a conflict, you have to, and that's from the book, uh, How to Make People Like You in 90 Seconds or Less. It's a great little book, and that's what taught me, and I taught it, and I've had other people confirm that that's what they did. So you become angrier with them because they are not thinking that blood has left their frontal cortex and gone back to their uh primal stem, and that's all they're trying to do is I'm angry. Yes, you are, and you're supposed to be angry, and you're right, and you should be angry with me. I did always terrible, they didn't want to hear anything you're saying. They just want to see that you are confirming that they're angry, so then you can tone it all down and then bash the buddies again, back to the meeting goes on from smoothly and and no problem. You move on. So that's my suggestion for your audience.

Power, Control, & Belonging

Jackie Pelegrin 18:42

Yeah, I love that. Great. Yeah, so it it you're able to do that personal habit and then take it into the classroom or with uh, you know, and then with your team. So I love that. Um, taking all of that and putting it into action. So that's great. So before we close, I've got uh one quick bonus question for all my note takers out there. Uh you describe growth as a spiral, not a straight line, uh, which is very interesting. I love this concept. How can educators help students re-enter the spiral after a setback quickly and with dignity?

Love As Giving & Mercy

Tommy Kilpatrick 19:53

Oh yes. Uh that's uh I I I play with sticks. I I have these sticks, and I learned it from Buck Mr. Fuller. I had never heard about that guy before. I read his obituary and in 1983, and I've read every book by that guy, and I many times over. So I played these sticks. So I have a stick and um it's a certain size and diameter, like a dowel stick, and I'll get some plastic tubing and I'll bind it with a zip tie. So I take one stick and put another stick to it, and kind of push back and forth. We can go back and forth and be angry with each other, and who wins is the one who pushes the hardest. I could separate and never see you again. Then I'm on my vectorial path. So when you're applying an airplane, they say, Can you vector me in? Oh, yes, take this heading and then take that heading, take this heading, and then you'll be at the airport. So that's one dimension. There's length and direction. So we all have a length and a direction. It's when we connect to somebody, now it's uh, and we take it into like a triangle or a square circle. Now we're in the flat land. So that's two-dimensional. There's no height and stuff. So then when we go to a three and we add another thing, we get into three dimensions, and that's where we're in this uh what I call a fish pole, a universal fish pole. So, yes, where is God? God is outside the fish pole watching us. So we're part of God, God's part of us. So what we do with all this is that it's a spiral. Whenever we look at anything growing, it always grows in a spiral. See it in pine cones, we see it in a storm, you see it in uh smoke in the air, it always forms a spiral. So anything growing is growing in a spiral, and it's always about one uh 68, 61.8 percent of the next one. It's a Fibonacci numbers. One one plus one is two, two plus one is three, three plus two is five, eight, thirteen, twenty-one, thirty-four, fifty-five, eighty nine, one forty-four. And these are all after about ten generations, they're always sixty-one point eight percent of the next number. So that's our growth. So what we're looking at is when a child has a setback, it's nothing but a setup for a comeback. So, like I think of uh Michael Jordan, one of the best basketball players ever. He was cut from his high school basketball team. Now, what would that make you do? You could then, oh, woe is me, I'm a victim. No, he practiced hard. He said, What was the problem? They said, You're not a team player, it's just all about you. Oh, he needed that reflection. You need that setback to have some reflection and say, Am I on the wrong path? And where am I? Help me out. And they did help Matt and what did it become? One of the greatest basketball players and a team player. Even though he had high-scoring games, he was very good at that, but he was still a team player. And that's how you have to work on it. If we're in a team, then to be a team player, you have to let them be right, make them feel important, show love and mercy, and with your love and your uh uh compassion and your courage, now you have a mature it. So that's what I can suggest for your audience.

Jackie Pelegrin 22:56

Wow, I love that. So it ties back to the love I give and the mercy extreme kindness that all all circles back around and all connects. So that's great. I love that, Tommy. That's that's wonderful. So as we wrap up, what would you suggest to my audience to write their own owner's manual uh in life?

Tommy Kilpatrick 23:16

Oh yes, I want to see yours. I've been struggling with this thing for years. It's uh to write an owner's manual about what? You know, and some people say, well, the Bible's owner manual. Well, there's a lot of contradictions in how, like there's in my in a computer, you have a toolkit and it's always making correction of errors. So how do we correct errors when maybe it's been told generationally? And then that's indoctrination. We don't question now, you're being brainwashed. So how do you undo all this? And that's the biggest challenge. So I encourage you to start with if you have an owner's manual, what would yours owner manual look like? And that might help me a lot better. So just start out how you would want to have your owner's manual. If you were born and your mama got a owner's manual and daddy, open it up and what's it gonna do? Love me, yeah. Then teach me, yeah, but then don't let me get away with everything. So how do you write that? I don't know that you but just start writing and it'll come to you. I started off with uh eight and a half by eleven piece of paper, and it was with a marker, so I had really big words, and I taped them to the wall. And I had this house I was staying at, and I'm telling you, it was three rooms of paper all over trying to figure this whole thing out, where the axioms are, where forks and how to tie this all together. So I have it for me, it works great for me because every day I use my owner's manual. I'm always thinking about it. When I hear somebody talking about something, I'll stop, I'll stop that podcast, stop the video, and I'll think, okay, how would I answer this? And I go back to my owner's manual, okay? Who's got the power and control? Who benefits? It's always who benefits, who's got the power and control. What are they what's the end result? So I never asked the question, why? Because all I did is an argument. I answer my own why by the proper how question. How does this work out? How is it that Charlie Kirk is no longer with us? You know, it it's it's strange. Something didn't quite work. Why do you go in and you wash everything away in the crime scene? Uh they don't want it. We don't know. It's just the thing. We'll never know what happened. So it's it's that thing that we have to then use our owner's landing and figure out who benefits. There's your answer.

Jackie Pelegrin 25:37

Right. Exactly. I love that. Yeah. And it's, you know, in a tragedy like that, you know, like you know, today, uh, actually, for you it's Wednesday, but um, but earlier today here in the United States, wash in Washington, DC, uh, the president actually did a posthumous uh presidential medal of freedom for for Charlie Kirk. Um and his uh it's just I I'm amazed uh Tommy how his wife has been able to speak with um uh just such um dignity, respect, kindness, even after losing the love of her life and the father of her children, right? There's their children are so young, so now she's trying to navigate that. And uh so you know, out of that, instead of you know the person wanting to silence him, it actually is making the movement grow even more. So they've got turning point USA chapters popping up in high schools and colleges. There's I think I heard earlier this week there's uh something like 12,000 requests for new chapters of Turning Point USA to go all over high schools and colleges. And there's I think 80,000 people that want to be members students and and young people that want to be members of Turning Point USA. So what you know that that saying what the enemy meant for evil, God meant for good. Um, you know, it just I think that's a a good example of a situation where you're like, wow, that's really horrible what happened. But I think in at the end of it, um, we'll look back on it and go, wow, it actually started a bigger movement than what we could have ever imagined. So who knows? You know, maybe it'll it'll go to the Philippines and stuff like that because he uh he had gone to other countries like Japan and was um was talking about open dialogue and freedom of speech. So yeah, so who knows, right? Where it'll where it'll end up. And yeah.

Tommy Kilpatrick 27:37

My generation had John F. Kennedy and assassinated in an open car next to his wife, which is a signal we can do this, there's nothing you can do about it. And then we had 9-11 for the next generation, but happened.

Jackie Pelegrin 27:53

Right.

Habits, Classroom Moves, Team Rituals

Tommy Kilpatrick 27:53

And now this newer generation has their JFK, has their and they saw it on TV, and it just doesn't fit right. It's something we're being lied to, and that's terrible. And so if you look at uh who you can't talk bad about. If you're in Russia, you can't talk about Putin, right? If you're in China, you can't talk about the communist country. When you're in any country, it's asked, what can I not talk about? Oh, don't talk about this. That's the people who are ruling it. So now you gotta ask the question, what is something that we can't talk about in America? And you'll find out who the person has the power who has done that to us. There was a reaction. So when I first heard about this on uh on the 10th, I'm here in the Philippines, so it's on the 11th, uh, or that night that happened because we're 12 hours ahead of you. First thing I wrote down was the response. It could be nothing, and it shows how awful our world is. It could show the exact opposite, which is now we've seen it, or something in between. So I had no idea of how to predict what was gonna happen. I at least knew the extremities of what it's gonna be. Nothing, ho hum, moving on, and that's like the world is lost, or a huge reaction and worldwide reaction. So this is something Tibet. Tibet had complete control of their people and they shut down the internet, no one could use the internet. What happened? Those children, those kids in 48 hours burned down the building and they voted in a new government with Discord. Who would have fought of that? So we are in a whole new generation. These kids now have this internet, and trust me, if they have the knowledge, they have this information, they're gonna move and move so quick, we old people are gonna go, what happened? Exactly on the youth. That's our success. So they're they don't care about people's previous attitudes because it's indoctrinated, and it certainly don't like to be brainwashed. So open like a parachute, so let's have a conversation and let's talk about things, and we can have a debate, and it can be with a fencing, which can be very eloquent, or we can have a dialogue, because this is what I think, and that's what you think. You know, if you think more this way, you'll have more evidence. You know, if you is there's some way we can find out about that would help your argument better. Oh, Tommy, if you knew about this, then that would help your argument better. Oh, great. So that's why we want is a dialogue with people so we can actually come. To agreement of what's going on, and that's the truth. It takes two people to have the true, true, and that's now the truth. So that's what I'm teaching out to you is let's have some truth speaking, let's have a dialogue and let's find out what's going on. Because if it's held back, then you have a conspiracy. Like if you're completely transparent and say, here's the evidence. And I'm thinking that's the future is uh put everything on the internet, show all the ballistics, show all the pictures, show everything, and let the world go. You know what? It can't be a 30-odd six. I knew that. And then why why is there any blood on anybody? Uh no blood, no weapon. I don't know what to think. There's no trip and then they cover up everything. It's a cover-up, so yeah. The powers to be think they're in power, but uh tie bet I took them down in 48 hours, and this can happen too.

Jackie Pelegrin 31:31

Right, it could, yeah. Wow. And so it's so important to write that owner's manual. I love yeah, you know, and and one of my other uh guests that I had on my podcast, she lives in Mexico, and uh she she she actually found out her family history, and I so I think in a way she started to write her own owner's manual, but she wrote curriculum for this generation right now, which is Gen Alpha. Um they're the ones that were born with the computers, right? With the tablets, with the screens, and that's all they know. And so it's very interesting how it's so important to understand the current generation because then how can we, you know, like you said, they're the future, they're gonna be the ones uh running running things. So if uh you know, we need to be able to give them that uh and and help them to write that owner's manual, maybe at a young age. So yeah, that's I think that's important to have that.

Tommy Kilpatrick 32:25

I was brought up in the 60s, and there was a button. I remember very clear, it said question authority, and now all those radicals are now in government, and now it's unquestionable authority. So they've totally took the flip side. So the Berlin Wall was up for the longest time, and one day 300,000 people decided to walk over to West Berlin. And what's the guard gonna go? Uh I'm gonna shoot my mom. Oh, let me help you, let me open the doors up. What happened the day before that? Nobody they all believed that wall was their protection. And then the next day, something happened. I have no idea, but they all showed up at the wall, and the guard opened the gate up and they took it down the Berlin Wall. So things can happen very quick, and you have no idea where it's coming from.

Jackie Pelegrin 33:16

Absolutely. And I I remember that when it happened because Ronald Reagan, the president of the United States at the time, said uh, Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall, right? And yeah, and and they tore they tore it down. And so you're right. I mean, uh in those moments, we can look back in history and have a such a memory of those. Um, you know, where were you on that day and all of that? So it's amazing. Yeah, you just never know where things things are gonna go. And one one event can lead to a multitude of things, right? It can it's a ripple in the pond, right? Effect.

Tommy Kilpatrick 33:54

It's that spiral. And then once it starts to spin and it gets bigger and bigger, it's a hurricane, and two hurricanes get together, it's a mega hurricane. So yes.

The Spiral Of Growth & Setbacks

Jackie Pelegrin 34:05

Right. Wow. Uh yeah, so I can see why, yeah, you talk about that growth as a spiral, not a straight line. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah, it reminds me of that movie Twister that came out, what was that, in the late 90s? That was with Helen Hunt, right? And it uh and they were trying to, yeah, they were trying to get a uh they were trying to put the uh that device, they called it Dorothy, and it had those little uh mechanisms with the trackers, and they were trying to get it in there, and they kept trying to do it over and over again, and they couldn't get it. And then towards the end of the movie, they were able to do that. And then you see at the end of the movie, there's really nothing left, and they're they're they got the belt or whatever it was that they have, but they tied themselves to that um that pipe that was underground and nothing left around them except them. And I'm like, wow, you know, just so yeah, it's really amazing. Yeah, that's great. So uh and is there anything uh it's you know, so how how would my listeners uh reach out to you if they've uh started writing their own owner's manual or they have questions about that or they want to, you know, bring some ideas to you? What's the best way for them to reach out to you about that?

Tommy Kilpatrick 35:17

Sure. Uh Tommy A. Kilpatrick on Facebook is the easiest way. And in the show notes, I'll have my email. So email me, it's a great conversation. I'm not looking for a dollar. I'm not looking to make any money, so just a conversation to have with you or a dialogue. I don't want to do a debate. So I'm not debating.

Jackie Pelegrin 35:36

Yeah, just the dialogue, a friend, friendly conversation back and forth, like what we're doing today. I love that. So great. Thank you, Tommy, so much for coming back and sharing some practical and actionable ways for us to live out our faith with love and mercy in our daily work. It's just wonderful. So, for my listeners, make sure to pick one idea from today, set your location or your time, like Tommy talked about, choose your prime emotion, which is that fear or love, and uh or try that 10-minute purpose exercise and put it into motion this week. Um, so Tommy, I look forward to having you back on the show again. I'm sure we'll we'll find some more topics to talk about.

Tommy Kilpatrick 36:14

We will, we will.

Jackie Pelegrin 36:15

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